Round 1 Matches 21-24

Loli Salad vs Manga Report

LuRa’s Anime Blog vs Moe Fundamentalism

CSW Anime Blog vs Sekijitsu

Due to multiple attempts at manipulating and rigging of the polls, both before the polls were officially open and after, in favor of CSW by one or multiple members of the CSW writing team, combined with their subsequent reaction, CSW is disqualified from the tourney. Sekijitsu will progress to the next round.

Clanrain vs Anime Viking

A note on why CSW Blog has been disqualified

In the space of roughly 10 minutes, CSW Blog received over 200 votes in their poll against Sekijitsu. We have no problem with people linking friends or fellow anime fans to the tourney to vote for them. However there was no sign of a spike in incoming traffic to the tourney itself, no increase at all in votes to the other polls, and no sign of more people visiting the blogs listed in on the site. We closed the poll due to these suspicious circumstances.

Our decision was made easier by the continuous attempts by one of the members of CSW Blog to manipulate the vote prior to it going live, and his subsequent threats and attacks made towards members of the tourney staff as we were trying to assess the situation. We are not in the business of helping people who try to cheat the system, nor people who threaten us. Because of this, CSW Blog has been disqualified from the tourney.

::Edit:: A much longer explanation for those not satisfied.

215 thoughts on “Round 1 Matches 21-24

  1. I think CSW really just has a huge fanbase of lurkers that nobody else has noticed since they’re so out of the ‘sphere. Wouldn’t put that down immediately as vote manipulation, more as ‘you put CSW in the wrong starting round’.

  2. I’m done. Until I get an apology for having my poll closed for “Voting Manipulation”, you guys can stay as a circle. Don’t blame me for actually interacting with my viewers.

    FACTS:
    I VOTED ONCE – for Sekijitsu.
    I DIDN’T PAY ANYONE NOR COMMERCIALLY ADVERTISE CSW.
    The fact that I got that many votes is because I was following this poll until it went live. It can’t be helped that apparently I’m a stat manipulator.

  3. Oh geez. My average is 7.5k daily. It’s not at all unlikely that he would be hitting those numbers with 10k daily hits and an audience that’s rooting for him.

  4. So apparently, it doesn’t matter if you have the best team in the world that loves blogging anime nor a given fanbase of several thousand viewers daily. Apparently, CSW is under vote manipulation. Go check with PollDaddy administrators and you will fucking see 300 different IP addresses across the world. There’s a reason I don’t put up widgets such as “Who visits us around the world” and “How many views we have”, and that’s why. I don’t want to be an asshole, but closing CSW’s poll simply because we have a influx compared to the other blogs is a direct attack at not only my pride but at our viewership. If I do not get an apology, I will cause CSW’s army to spam and raid various anime blog sites. Apologies, but this has gone far enough.

    • Not sure as I haven’t in hand the details of the voting, but I get around 9-10 K hits a day and I wonder if I’ll get that many votes as well (highly doubt it though…:D)

      • How the fuck is……..aren’t you relatively new? I still only get around 700-800 and my ISSS is old as fuck.

        I’ve never gotten CLOSE to 10K PER DAY ARE YOU FUCKING MY ASSHOLE!?

        1692 is my highest in a day and I am PROUD AS FUCK about that.

        Actually it’s just me clicking your site once every 8.64 seconds a day (mathematically accurate).

        Regardless, I will be voting for you when the time comes.

    • Uh, yeah, can you please not do that? I hate that this shit’s happenin’ too, but i ain’t gonna make all of CSW look stupid. This tourney’s not worth our overall reputation being sunk like that.

    • As someone from CSW, stop it Spiral.

      I don’t care if you feel your matter of gathering votes is legit. I don’t care if you feel somehow victimized that the poll was taken down.

      Get over yourself. This shit is for fun. Stop making us look bad.

    • Awww spiral maybe saying were gonna spam other blogs isnt the best way to go about things >_> Also might not help ur case in “we didnt use vote manipulation” which i really don’t think we would. But this is just for funsies ya know? I mean….yeah would be nice to win but if we don’t its ok! Sekijitsu (sp?) seems like such a nice place with nice ppl.

      anywhoo….wining or loosing doesnt matter! thanks to this little tourney i got to learn about diff blogs wich i never really heard of (or really talked to any other blogs much? my fangirl antics aside im actually a pretty shy person >_> ) sooooo good luck everyone!

      but i do hope that csw vs sekijitsu get to reopen and we don’t get disqualified so please give us another chance!

  5. Loli Salad – The writing is casual, but flows well. The blog also has a nice mix of topics, from anime, to music, to games, and even manga. I do wish there was a bit more inspiration to the theme of the site to go hand-in-hand with the title; I expected more loli images via buttons or banners, or even just a tab dedicated to favorite loli, or something. Other than that, everything is extremely easy to navigate and the sidebar is very neatly organized.

    Manga Report – My first impression from looking at the surface is that the site looks extremely impersonalized. In addition to the blank gray sides, there’s just a blank white banner. The posts are mostly walls of text. Give me color! Though I don’t read manga, Manga Report looks fairly informative and reads easily.

    LuRa’s Anime Blog – Oh! Cool idea for a banner, though I absolutely do not like the font used. Maintained by three authors, their posts vary from typical episodics to the favorite song of each week. Lucretia has a habit of stringing together long sentences:
    “As you may know, or may not depending on whether I’ve ever mentioned this before, but my two favourite things are writing and anime, and I put them together and instead of going into something like manga writing or light novel writing I wanted to voice my opinions on something I enjoy and is every bit part of my life as the internet is.” Kirayoshi has weaker writing mechanics and spends a bit too much time on summary rather than response. The third blogger seems to write most of the song posts, and does so in somewhat chopped-up sentences. I do like that they update regularly, about once a day, and that all three of their writers seem to shoulder the burden equally.

    Moe Fundamentalism – I love the clean layout of this blog. It may be simple, but the white/black with teal touch-ups is very appealing. The first post on anime logos caught my interest with its unique topic and understandable intro. The entry continues in the same inspired fashion as the start and was a thoroughly enjoyable read. The writing is informed and flows beautifully. It’s intelligent, but not overbearing. Akira has gained another reader!

    Clan Rain – The theme looks soft and engaging with the patterned circles and post borders; however, the lack of backing on the posts actually makes it a bit annoying to read the text against the circle background. The chibi characters on the edges are cute, but cut off the text in the corner. There’s also a huge chat box at the bottom that I think completely ruins the coordination of the theme and layout. The writing is casual and a breeze to read, and I enjoy how the chibi pair up with the different writers to create a clear style for each of them.

    Anime Viking – I never like wallpaper stretched across the background. It usually clashes with the colors of the banner and/or the topic images. I love Natsume Yuujinchou, but don’t care to see it used in this case. Other than that, the layout is organized, though it does include the infinity scroll that I can’t stand. I am already a reader of Anime Viking, as I enjoy Marow’s topics and down-to-earth voice. Blogging frequency is a bit sporadic, averaging anywhere from as little as three to as much as sixteen.

  6. Loli Salad: Title contains two things I don’t like.

    Manga Report: Title contains only one thing I don’t like. Gets the vote.

    LuRa’s Anime Blog: Episodic posts are mostly summary instead of opinion. Non-episodic posts seem ok, but it’s mostly an episodic blog.

    Moe Fundamentalism: Strong, thoughtful editorial style. Gets the vote.

    CSW: Haven’t read this site in a while. Back in the day I remembered it as being fun but sloppy. It looks more polished these days, though that’s not saying much, and it retains some sloppiness that actually gives it a little charm. Better sloppy than bland. Episodic posts have a lot of recap but also a fair amount of commentary.

    Sekijitsu: I associate Sekijitsu mainly with sports anime, though they look pretty diversified these days. Episodic posts are more on the opinion side, which is always a good thing. I’ve always liked their layout, not that I care much about layouts in general. Casual style, though not as much as CSW. Vote TBD.

    Clanrain: Icons are moe and whatnot but interfere with the post previews. Good opinionated episodic commentary.

    Anime Viking: Editorialist. +1. Sang to get votes. +2. Likes Aria. +3. Gets the vote.

  7. 1. Manga Report … so much potential as a manga site, this is what happens when you neglect practical web design =( .. still voted for it thougho_O
    2. moe over lura
    3. apparenlty someone seeded two large blogs against each other on the first round … =/ … oh sweet anime drama …
    4. no real preference … voted clanrain

  8. I guess I should add more color to Manga Report? I suppose one person’s clean, unadorned design is another person’s horrifying lack of color. Maybe I’ll do something different with the backgrounds now. Thanks for checking out my blog!

  9. I suppose one person’s clean design is another person’s horrifying lack of color. Thanks for checking out my blog though! Maybe I’ll experiment a bit with the backgrounds.

  10. I am disappointed that the poll for match 23 was closed down. It is one of the match I look forward to the most for the first round, even though it doesn’t make sense that these two are put against each other. I love the waffle guys but I would have voted for Sekijitsu.

  11. “Kirayoshi has weaker writing mechanics and spends a bit too much time on summary rather than response.”

    Thank you for the “negative” comment. However I will not necessary take it into consideration.

    • I apologize if you took offense to my criticism that was intended to be constructive. There are just some very simple errors in the grammar and overall sentence structure of your posts that could be easily fixed upon a second reading before publishing. As you say, however, you can just as easily ignore a reader’s suggestion.

    • NOOOOOO dont throw in the towel so easily! >__> i went and looked at all the blogs! it was my first time actually visiting each one (lol even our [prev.?] competitors, sekijitsu) And I really liked everyones blogs! Everyone’s passion for anime, manga, pokemon covers, and loli salads all show! So keep up the work guys ^___^ Idk who i voted for i kindasorta forgot >_> lemmeseewhoooo *scrolls up* oh! anime viking, loli salad, and uhm….moe fundalism? something like that….but i liked em all.

      • OMG im sooo sorry for double reply but i dunno what happened to the rest of my comment! it disapeared.

        Anyways I wanted to say after don’t throw in the towel to please allow us one more chance! We really didn’t cheat or anything, CSW bloggers are good people really. So please give us one more chance? I would like to see how we would of done against sekijitsu (sp?). If we get another spike in votes like that, then you can disqualify us, but i dont think we should be dismissed so quick.

  12. I’m just going to have to say that if anyone has the guts to manipulate votes, they would not be stupid enough change the numbers so drastically as what the polls show. If anything, I thing CSW was sabotaged by someone who hates the blog. CSW has good content, so I don’t think they have to resort to vote manipulation…

    Anyway:

    Loli Salad vs. Manga Report: Loli Salad has a simple site layout which I really like. Also, the posts are very personal and biased – always a plus in my book. Manga Report’s site seems very cluttered with a lot of things going at you at once. Navigation is easy since you don’t have to scroll much to get to the bottom of the page, but the sidebar’s a mess and a pain to read through. So yeah, subscribed to and voted for Loli Salad.

    LuRa’s Anime Blog vs. Moe Fundamentalism: Both of these sites offer a minimalist layout and are easy to navigate through. Both also feature good variety in their posts. However, LuRa’s posts can be a pain to read through because of the extremely off-putting walls of text, and the episodics are mostly made of overly-detailed episode summaries, so my vote goes to Moe Fundamentalism.

    CSW vs. Sekijitsu: It’s a shame that the poll is closed for this one. Both sites look wonderful, and the content for both sites are pretty good as well, though I think Sekijitsu gets my vote for their writing is more to my taste.

    Anime Viking vs. Clanrain: Like I said earlier, I prefer a simple layout in a blog, and Anime Viking provides that. As for the writing, no offense to Clanrain, but I think Anime Viking’s posts are much more engaging to read (and DAT SINGING). So yeah, I voted of AV.

  13. Holy smokes, people REALLY want to win this tournament!
    The match-up between CSW and Sekijitsu was curious enough but I understand that it’s imposible to organize completely perfect matches. As things stand now, I’ll just wait and see and hope that there won’t be any more ‘armies’ descending upon future polls again.
    (oh, how I wish I had an army of my own!)

  14. CSW and sekijitsu are clearly both very good blogs. Both even cover eroge and VN a little ^^. I would have liked to see the battle between them.

  15. I hate to jump into this mess.

    A more serious issue than the disqualification of a blog from this tourney is that bloggers’ reputations are at stake here. It would seem awfully unfair if the moderators do not give an explanation of how voting manipulation is determined.

    I don’t doubt the moderators had enough compelling reasons to close down the vote. However, as it stands, the people following this tourney are implicitly asked to simply accept that either CSW or Sekijitsu cheated. We’re going to have take the mods’ words on this issue either way, but a more detailed description of what mods spotted would make doing so easier to swallow, especially since NotSpiral seems to think it was unjust. An explanation would let the readers decide whose explanations (NotSpiral’s or the tourney’s) are more plausible.

    Of course, the Aniblog Tourney does not owe anyone any explanation… It’d be nice though.

    • “Due to multiple attempts at manipulating and rigging of the polls, both before the polls were officially open and after, in favor of CSW by one or multiple members of the CSW writing team, combined with their subsequent reaction, CSW is disqualified from the tourney. Sekijitsu will progress to the next round.”

      Good to see an effort… Although I find this to be just a fancier way of saying “Polls closed due to voting manipulation.” I still have no concrete idea of what CSW did, how you determined the manipulation, or what kind of actions the moderators define as manipulation.

  16. I have a noble solution to the problem: breakup the matchup, and pair them with different blogs. Swop two blogs in different brackets. Then observe the trend again. If this “I-have-more-than-8-times-your-readers” thing occurs again, it might be vote manipulation. If not, all is well. Regardless of whether there was vote manipulation or not, the damage is done. Both CSW and Sekjitsu are good blogs with their own virtues and I’m sure no-one would like to see the blogs go down like this.

    • I don’t really think it’s that simple to determine this “vote manipulation” as people from the tourney dubbed it.

      I don’t know if it’s still possible to know. I mean, culprits do go back at the crime scene – but not to commit the same crime, do they?

  17. CSW: Obviously vote manipulation. 300 different IPs? So you (and possibly some buddies) know how to use Tor. I bet the 300 user agent strings for those votes are exactly the same.

    • Keep your dumbass mouth shut and learn that all those 200 votes came within 5 minutes. I voted for Sekijitsu and why the fuck would I want to waste my time doing that when I had a fucking tournament today?

      Get on my fucking level, hoe.

      • Technically, it’s possible that your opponent or a 3rd party did this to sabotage you. But my comment accounts for more than technicals — that is, your written response to this unfortunate situation.

        Whatever the answer, it’s clear that Polldaddy is a broken method of polling.

    • What CSW did was not voting manipulation, it was called promotion. Spiral just gave the link to his streaming buddies, and I guess his buddies also gave the link to others, etc. Even if Spiral did say “VOTE FOR CSW GUIZ.” They still could of voted for Sekijitsu. I think it’s all in fair game as Sekijitsu could of done the same really. I just hope your unjust claims doesn’t cost CSW its rep.

      That aside, good luck to Sekijitsu, it’s a shame things had to happen this way, however I wish you all the best of luck. Thank you for the warm greeting when I visited your blog today. Your blog is a really nice one and I will do my best to back you guys up. So keep going and doing your best!

  18. Loli Salad vs Manga Report
    Not feeling either that much. Manga Report has the advantage of layout, writing caliber and diversity of topics. It also pitched Karakuri Odette to me, a manga I’ve added to my to-read list.

    I admit that Loli Salad’s Wakfu entries are interesting, too, but there really isn’t much for me to like here. Manga Report vote.

    LuRa’s Anime Blog vs Moe Fundamentalism
    Moe Fundamentalism. Akira writes with focused clarity, and his editorials tackle diverse and interesting topics. Check out the one about Xun Zi and Nisemonogatari.

    LuRA’s Anime Blog doesn’t have much relevant content for me. Just not a fan of the episodic summary.

    CSW Anime Blog vs Sekijitsu
    Nevermind that this poll is closed. Both are fairly broad sites. I found myself gravitating more to Sekijitsu’s content, as they have more editorials. I’d have voted for Sekijitsu.

    Clanrain vs Anime Viking
    Clanrain’s user icons are a novel idea, but they actually obscure the post previews on their side of the corner? That’s not very good, IMO. The dropdown menus look good, but after a while they get annoying to navigate. Especially the video games menu, which has two more submenus. It’s annoying because they disappear when you move your mouse pointer the wrong way, and you’ll have to start over again and oh God it disappeared again arrrgh, etc etc. Not much exemplary content to talk about, anyway.

    Marow is rather amusing, and he likes Taki from Natsume Yuujinchou. Posts contain character. I like character. I may not agree with what you say, but at least I know that there’s a living, breathing anime fan behind that monicker. I just don’t understand the title. Why “Anime Viking”? Still gets my vote, though!

  19. So in the end, we get disqualified, huh? I know i said disqualify us, but still saying we manipulated the votes is fucking retarded. You can think it all you want, but it really boils down to my word against yours, but you know what?

    I, nor my crew at CSW never really gave a fuck about this aniblog tourney, but Spiral wanted to actually give a good effort to actually participate in this piece of shit, and i wanted a fair fight against Sekijitsu, just to do SPIRAL a favor. I didn’t want him to feel like he was the only one who even wanted to participate (or cared for that matter), and i thought i’d look bad if ALL of us didn’t give a shit.

    We ain’t got no beef with Sekijitsu, and i’ve gotten along with their little crew pretty well.

    So yeah, whoever wrote that note above the CSW/Sekijitsu poll is a fucking retard, and should go fuck himself/herself, and should never be allowed to run another tourney in their life.

  20. Due to multiple attempts at manipulating and rigging of the polls, both before the polls were officially open and after, in favor of CSW by one or multiple members of the CSW writing team, combined with their subsequent reaction, CSW is disqualified from the tourney. Sekijitsu will progress to the next round.

    For all we know, the votes may have been “manipulated” by a third party. It’s quite unfair and potentially libelous to put the blame on CSW’s staff. The phrasing of the notice is very straightforward and makes it seem that CSW was entirely responsible for this mess. Just think of what would happen to their reputation… while the one who might be responsible for this mess is sitting comfortably while watching a perfectly good anime blog get ruined.

    • Perhaps a little more explanation regarding this matter is in order. I’m still not convinced, and I’m sure many others are as well, that the voting manipulation was done by anyone from CSW.

    • To be fair, I think the reaction of certain bloggers has hurt CSW’s reputation more than the disqualification. Firing insults at the runners of the poll and suggesting you guys will spam other blogs doesn’t exactly help your cause – well, if people didn’t think you were guilty of vote manipulation to start with, the phrase “the lady doth protest too much” springs to mind.

      • Yes, some bloggers have indeed gone too far with their comments. Threatening to spam/hack other websites can be considered a crime in a lot of places, but it’s not like their reaction is not understandable.

        From what I have seen so far, we still don’t have any concrete information regarding this situation to place blame on anyone. This is especially bad for the people who run the tourney. People will continue to speculate on the events behind the vote manipulation, and the tourney will get a bad rep.

        And for the record, I’m not a writer for CSW. I write for AOIA. Just getting that out of the way. I just can’t stand and watch potential injustice in a supposedly friendly tournament that I participate in.

        • No, it’s not understandable. I can understand a sense of injustice. Raging and firing threats in all directions – no, that’s never justifiable nor understandable. As the tourney admins have said, the reaction of the CSW bloggers/fans has only really justified their judgement, rather than bringing about any public backlash.

          Besides, at the end of the day, who really cares? These are anime blogs, guys – get over it. It’s not world-changing stuff.

  21. Hi. As an ex-blogger for CSW, I have to say that’s complete bullshit. I may have left because of personal differences, but one thing for sure is that I respect those guys and they most certainly would not do something like that. What you’re effectively doing, is just slamming them for being popular and for knowing how to promote their blog.

    If you don’t mind, could you throw down some other evidence other than “Some of them know how to use TOR,” which, let’s be honest here, is something pretty much every technically savvy person knows how to use. Hell, if CISPA passes, I’m fairly sure everyone is going to be using it.

    – – – – – – –

    Another thing you should consider, is how this makes your tourney look. Right now, this looks like a case of bias on the side of the proprietors of this tourney. Sekijitsu is a good blog, I will admit that and I can see how this might look like a case of tampering. However, have you considered the fact that maybe, oh just MAYBE, CSW might be more popular?

  22. I just wanted to clarify with everyone that like what Jubbz said, CSW and Sekijitsu are friends and we don’t hold any negativity towards each other. I myself being more friendly with Spiral so please don’t take what I say as negativity. Like the most of us, I’m sure we don’t want to cause such a drama in the first place, the tournaments here for the fun of it. Win or lose, it’s all goods as long as it’s fair. Maybe it’s manipulation, maybe it’s not I can’t say. I just can’t see the CSW crew doing such a thing but like the team has mentioned, Spiral had decided to link the tourney on his stream and told them something along the lines of vote for whoever you think is better. I guess you can say that in the end, since his stream buddies know him, they’ll just vote for him anyways but that’s not the point. What’s done is done and I’ll say it again that I don’t like drama. Anyone who think CSW is a bad site, please don’t. They’re awesome guys and girls and don’t deserve a shitty reputation but for future tourneys I want to stress out that the aniblog tourney should only have people in the aniblogsphere vote and not people outside the aniblogsphere. It won’t cause any commotion and we can all be happy about the results whether win or not. It’s great to put a post up on your own site, go for it (we did as well) but it might not be as great when the aniblogsphere is mixed up with people outside of it. And this incident is a result of that action whether good or bad intentions. Let’s all just play it safe and enjoy ourselves. We’re all friends aren’t we?😦

    • But Tofu, that would make us look like even more circlejerks.😄 Weren’t we trying to get past that? Also, it’s impossible to track down if the voter is an aniblogger or not. That would mean filling a registration form every time you want to vote. Who would like to do that?

      • Sure someone who doesn’t like anime could stumble across this post accidentally but the thing is, they did it accidentally so I’m not saying we should track down who voted but keep the promotions within our little circle of jerks so the votes are majorly from those who reside in the aniblogsphere or else this tournament would just be a contest of who has the most connections outside the aniblogsphere… is this really what we want to achieve? What’s wrong with being ‘circlejerks’?

    • Errm, no offence Tofu but I think that is the worst kind of suggestion i.e. to make the ani tourney more or less exclusive to ani bloggers. That would only reinforce the idea that it IS a popularity contest. And we don’t mean popularity as in who is the best blogger, rather who has more friends and connections. Even now, I’m sure even if someone has a stellar blog but is a loner, they would still lose up against an inferior but more ‘popular’ writer. If it is only anibloggers (even that doesn’t include every ani blogger, just those who get on twitter + move around etc) 75% of the blogs should drop out now because we know the large few who will make it to the end. I don’t really use the term ‘circlejerk’ but making a tournament revolving only around the participants is surely the least desirable thing for a group who want to get out of a niche place and get new people involved? So yea, sorry for the epic speech, but I think the aniblog tourney is already funny enough without insulating it into its own self reference.

      In any case, I really don’t know CSW, I only found them today but they do have a great site, however I would have voted Sekijitsu just because I’ve followed it for a while and its always been pleasant to read but at the same time, I really don’t think that they manipulated the votes. If they really wanted to fix this, I think they would be somewhat more subtle than to put 300 votes in at one go, given that they have the means and brains to do so. Even regardless of this, what is to stop others outside voting for them or 3rd party people doing this? As many have said, this tourney is suffering from the same thing as last, a complete lack of transparency and engagement with its followers – isn’t the tourney supposed to be a thing for promoting blogs and interaction? All we’ve gotten is accusations and persecution of a blog who is only suspect – isn’t it innocent until proven guilty?

      • You: “That would only reinforce the idea that it IS a popularity contest. And we don’t mean popularity as in who is the best blogger, rather who has more friends and connections.”

        Me: “…keep the promotions within our little circle of jerks so the votes are majorly from those who reside in the aniblogsphere or else this tournament would just be a contest of who has the most connections outside the aniblogsphere… is this really what we want to achieve?”

        I don’t see how if we keep this tournament to ourselves it will promote the idea that this tournament will only be about who has more friends and connections. Wouldn’t it be logical that if you’re allowed to involve others THAT is when the tournament becomes a popularity contest about who has more friends and connections?

        • By no means was I having a go at you Tofu, hope you understand, I just just didn’t think that would be the best option. Whilst what you say is true (as has happened in the past tourney like Yi and digibro) it wasn’t a bad thing, no one really cared, if anything, people rooted for the two to campaign like mad. In the end, I guess you could say then it wasn’t about who actually had the best blog, but it is just more about the spirit of the tourney. In that case I’m sure you wouldn’t have been demanding we don’t let them or saying the match was unfair then, surely? What is the difference between what many bloggers did last tourney and this then? It seems like a really unfair and bias dynamic if we apply some standard to some bloggers and not to others.

          But I just think the most important point regardless of everything in the above paragraph is that, if we do only try to make it exclusive, then only the same blogs over and over would win. We already ahve “favourites” and friends, if we eliminate the main source of outside votes which may not particularly be in the aniblogger social circle, then we can almost perfectly guess how each round will go. It seems like insulating the tourney to anibloggers, will be the death of anibloggers.

          Either way I guess it still comes down to who has more friends and connections regardless of who we include as you pointed out, but I guess I’d rather the we risk having a flash flood of votes like this, than make the anitourney a pretty predictable event. Even more so, make the aniblogger community feel like a circle which only the popular can enter easily and new/unfamiliar people would be intimidated. Its just my view man. I would have gone Sekijitsu regardless as I’ve lurked for ages there so please don’t take this as a personal attack. Just my view on the whole aniblogger community🙂

          • Yeah don’t worry, I didn’t take it as a personal attack at all Aelysium although I was discussing about my suggestion with a few others a while before you posted this comment and so I’ve already moved on. I’ve decided that it’s best for me to stay quiet however good my intentions were in the future.

      • That’s not the main point of the tourney. If anything, we ought to switch the focus of the tourney every time; odd tournaments be popularity contests/’find-the-best-blog’, and even tournaments be about voting for the blog that most deserves more views. End it with 16 finalists, and don’t even go into final round drama, either.

        • Go to my site or 8th’s and you’re gonna see a whole different world in terms of our communities. We don’t really operate in this aniblogosphere that you’re all familiar with. Rather, fansubbers and people who watch fansubs visit our sites.

          I see my readers as very similar to me. So when I write for myself, I’m writing for them (in my view). And I’m writing my Aniblog posts (which are more quick looks than anything) to an audience that might be interested in looking at what other sites are out there. Is there a site out there that they might like? I bet there is. And when it comes to my benefit, are there people out there who didn’t even know a fansub review site existed and would like to read my reviews? You betcha.

          Though we’re all anime fans, we do operate in different clusters. I think this tournament is a perfect chance to get people who are unfamiliar with other sites to give them a chance and see if they like them. There’s really no better opportunity for this.

  23. If CSW is disqualified, solid reasoning should be presented rather than theorizing whatever everyone else is saying. We are already a very small community and originally the purpose of tourney was around good faith. So, if an aniblogger is saying that they didn’t use any manipulation per se, why are they not given another chance? Personally I would have voted for Sekijitsu but that doesn’t mean I dislike CSW. These guys have worked hard in building their site and now this disqualification makes them look bad as if they started it, when in reality it could have been a third-party altogether.

    • I bet they would have been given another chance if one of their members didn’t threaten to spam every anime blog here in retaliation and it another of their members didn’t start crudely written personal attacks against the blog admins.

      Whether or not they did engage in vote manipulation is entirely beside the point now.

      • And Spiral said that out of anger.

        He was pissed off, and quite reasonably so at this Retarded accusation on him (and the rest of us for that matter.) He wouldn’tve done what he said he’d do, so don’t you dare think poorly of spiral just because of a comment made out of anger.

        When you’re pissed off, you say shit you don’t mean too, right!?

        So ya’ll better shut the fuck up about SPIRAL when ya’ll don’t know him like we do.

        • Your argument is compelling, sir. Pray tell me, do all CSW bloggers react in this manner to unfavourable situations?

          • Did anything I say sound anything like what they said? Because I think I didn’t say anything insulting or resorted to anything childish.

            No, the rest of the CSW bloggers have not lashed out out of anger please do not think that just because a couple people from CSW said some rather irrational things (which i had said above i do NOT agree with and alotta the other blogs do NOT agree with either.) reflect upon CSW as a whole. Everyone is different and thus reactacts to this situation differently.

            In fact, some didnt even know about this drama until this morning

            • Unfortunately, the way blogs/websites/companies work is that, when you are a member of that blog, you do end up acting as a mouthpiece for it. To you, the reactions of Jubbz and Spiral may not reflect CSW as a whole, but to the average reader, it does. What’s actually happened is that they’ve brought the website into disrepute, with the (sizeable) number of people who will have read this comments section (and any other blog posts regarding it) marginalizing the bloggers of CSW due to the way those two reacted.

              I’ve done my fair share of trolling and started many drama wars in my time wandering the lonely roads of the internet, but a lesson worth learning is that you should always take note of your affiliations before saying anything that might make you outspoken. I’m always careful to point out that my views are my own and not the views of the numerous websites, sub groups, etc. that I contribute to. Sadly for you, this will always be remembered and referred to as an act of CSW vote manipulation where the bloggers flew off the handle quite spectacularly. And no walls of text will be able to change that.

              I personally think that’s very hard on you. Because, for what it’s worth, I think you’ve produced a measured response to the fallout that’s taken place, cid.

              tl;dr People shouldn’t try trollan if they don’t know how to.

  24. I start to feel sympathy for the admin now. I think the admin may not even have conclusive info on this incidence either. And there seems to be no easy way out of this.

    Nevertheless, an official statement will be welcomed anyway and I will stick to the admin’s decision.

    • The easy way out of this is “CSW members stay sane, mention in the comments that they would like to contact the admins, then provide the admins with information of how exactly they got so many votes in such a short period of time. The admins look into the claims, and if they appear to be true, re-open the polls for everyone to vote. If the admins determine that CSW wasn’t acting in good faith, then they keep their decision to have the poll locked and CSW responds POLITELY with ‘We humbly disagree with the decision and believe we acted in good faith despite the findings of the admins. Regardless, we wish Sekijitsu the best of luck in the tournament.'”

      Done. That’s fucking it. Even in the worst-case scenario there, CSW looks like a class act.

      Of course, that’s not how it played out…:/

      • Man, while I agree with you as that is the way to behave in these circumnstances (real or virtual life), do you really expect this level of seriousness from the internet?😀

  25. I want to add, it is not up to CSW to prove where they got the votes from. The admins have the burden of prove since they are the ones to claim foul play. They have not met that burden… (At least not publicly shown they have.)

    And even before that, the admins never defined what constitutes voting manipulation. And after the incident, they never said how they determined there was foul play. Even now, they still haven’t said anything. Further, the poor excuse for an explanation only seems to indicate that the admins are dodging the pleas to present any evidence of foul play or come up with their rules. It’s wish-washy. It’s vague. And to be honest, it seems unfair.

    Of course, profanity and threats on CSW’s part aren’t good either. But let’s not forget, the tourney admins don’t look like class acts either. Sigh… The reactions of CSW were understandable the longer the admins refuse to address the issue, and keep to their claim of cheating out there for all other bloggers and followers to interpret.

    • Nope Yi sorry, if you feel that’s the way to behave you have a quite distorted way to see reality.

      What the CSW guys have done (mainly spiral and that other random guy) is something they could go in jail for if it was in a real world situation.

      Please remember that spamming/defacing/attacking websites is a criminal offense. Not only that, but menacing (in some states known as brandishing) is also a violent crime in most “developed” countries.

      • Wait wait wait. Feal… Please do not misunderstand my words. Have I said CSW’s reactions were OK?

        My comment addresses a completely different issue from the spamming/defacing/threats. Please do not muddle my opinions. And please, do not assume how I feel when you did not understand my point.

        Love you, Feal. ^ ^

        • “Sigh… The reactions of CSW were understandable the longer the admins refuse to address the issue” <—for a second I thought you were trying to make their offenses less severe than they are.

          My bad, wasn't trying to attack you.😦
          (I'm anyway an outsider to this whole drama as I'm neither CSW, Sekijitsu or any of the admins…:D)

          I love you too Yi. ^_^

          • Yep yep. Understandable does not mean OK or tolerated. And, I do maintain that it’s an understandable reaction.

            On this point, the threat to spam is so obviously a terrible idea that I didn’t feel like I need to point that out…

            Anyway, my comments thus far are all mainly directed at the admins.

            Cheerios!

    • It’s pretty much obvious something fishy happened here. I mean, their average number of comment per post is like 3, they got 5 comments for the first call of arms, 12 for the second one after unfair(?) disqualification.
      I don’t know how many pageviews they really have, but they definitely don’t have 200 dedicated readers/voters in the first 30 minutes, and neither does aniblogtourney from number of votes so far.

      Pointing the fingers to CSW writing team for what happened does seem a bit unfair, but then again, we don’t have access to all the organizer’s data, and I can tell you it doesn’t feel very good to have your effort wasted because some prick gamed your system. I have to say, it does look like a third-party sabotage, unless the mods release some new data ^^;

      “CSW’s army” comment was pretty funny though. If it really existed, there would be 400 comments in that second post by now. Good thing their other writers didn’t have anger management problems lol

        • I was going to say that reaction is pretty normal for getting falsely accused, but looking at the comments below, it seems that blog has one really deluded 10 year old writer, and another who doesn’t realize this is the internet lol

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  26. I agree it’s unfair that CSW got thrown out of the tourney but when AstroNerdBoy manipulated the vote in his favor in the last tourney, he was treated as a martyr and the blame was put on me because I campaigned against him. The fact is, I wouldn’t manipulate the vote in the first place because that’s wrong, and I would never vote for AstroNerdBoy if my life depended on it. To put it on me when he got scared and wanted to get a safe cushion of extra votes just shows that the tourney organizers are too easily manipulated. I support CSW in this because I know what it’s like to get a bad rap for supposedly manipulating the vote when all I did was campaign fair and square.

    • I have to admit I was too prejudiced against the tourney staff. Thank you for allowing my comment through. I apologize for saying at other blogs you’d ban me because you’re under AstroNerdBoy’s influence, and also for my past outburst on Twitter when you told AstroNerdBoy you’d ban me from commenting. I got angry when I saw that.

      That said, I still think you were wrong to ban CSW without a good explanation and I feel for them.

        • What does it mean not cause drama with him? If I endorse the other blog against him and say that most Tenchi fans think the Tenchi OVA 3 he worships is a p.o.s. which is a fact, and then he and his pals attack me, I can’t be responsible for that. That’s how it went down the last time. Unfortunately for him his opinion is not shared by most Tenchi fans and if he can’t admit that, it’s not my problem. What he says about me being an evil psycho because I curse him out at his blog is his one-sided story and in any case it has nothing to do with this tourney blog. I don’t think I’ve behaved badly here and I don’t intend to.

          • Look, obviously I don’t recall every detail of what I did two years ago but I don’t think any of it was very different from what you’ve already let pass this time. I wish you could be more specific if there’s something very problematic you have in mind. The only time I remember my comments were removed last time was when AstroNerdBoy went on a rant about how he’s always the winner no matter what I do. If that’s not it, please explain.

            • Not really, there are people who like OVA 3 that I have no problem with. AstroNerdBoy is a special case because of how he’s betrayed and tried to control the Tenchi fandom. He got cozy with FUNimation who’d send him free DVDs to write promo pieces for at his blog. OVA 3 was panned by most fans but AstroNerdBoy always told those who hadn’t seen it yet that it’s a masterpiece and since he was a respected fan back then and people didn’t know about his agenda, many unsuspecting fans got suckered into buying that turd on DVD because of what he said. He was made a mod at FUNimation’s Tenchi board where his job was to suppress the negative sentiment about OVA 3. He was also a mod at some other boards and he used his power to unfairly ban people who’d speak out against OVA 3 and the creator Kajishima, even if they were board veterans. It got impossible to say anything critical about OVA 3 without wall of text lectures from him about how everything Kajishima did was genius. Then when I started fighting his propaganda he made up lies about how I’d made death threats against him, which I didn’t and could never do because of my Christian beliefs. He likes to call me a psycho, but it’s him who started the whole thing with his repetitive cultist propaganda absolutely everywhere people would talk about Tenchi. He’s not the angel he likes to pretend to be.

  27. This has pretty much been said already, but:

    – 10k viewers per day sounds like a nonsense number. A blog with that many visits would unquestionably have more user engagement (comments), and CWS obviously does not.
    – NotSPIRAL is taking this very seriously, getting quite angry and defensive. If he’s innocent, why get so worked up in playing the victim instead of calmly and rationally discussing the fairness of the poll?
    – @cidthekitty: Passing the link around to friends got the votes pouring in that quickly? Must have a lot of dedicated friends to block-vote in such a time frame. I don’t buy it.

    I agree Yi and the people asking for a more detailed explanation of the disqualification.

        • Congrats, you work for UTW subs and don’t make jack squat. I stay online and make something out of it as a student part-time AND while I’m in law school. We can talk about our lives, but I’m just going to leave it at that.

          The fact that you are talking just appalls. me.

          • I am amazed at your superior analysis ability. Never had I even imagined someone could so accurately describe my life from just the fact that I “work” for UTW subs.

            You will make a great lawyer one day. Can I hire you to sue Japanese TV stations for their false copyrights to anime, which should be public domain for the fans?

            …My eyes can’t roll back far enough. Maybe you’re trying to add some personality to your blog for more viewers. Good job making a bigger fool of yourself with each new comment. Then again, I’m probably giving you too much credit.

          • Oh yeah, this crap didn’t make sense to me at first, but I responded to your dumb post only because MotsuCQ is the techie for my blog and a major contributor.

            Perhaps you should not brag about having more pageviews than someone who didn’t even identify his own website.

            • Alright, I’m going to apologize now for directly attacking you. The only reason I lashed out was because someone attacked my blog and team, and I was willing to defend them. In that logic, you defended someone who follows your blog.

              I didn’t mean anything by my comments, just the rage of the moment, and UTWSubs is a great group that subs a lot of popular shows over the year that we couldn’t do without. You guys subbed my recent favorite AmagamiSS and I thank you.

              Once again, I hereby apologize and ask for forgiveness on your part. Cheers.

  28. Looks like you people don’t even plan to believe us no matter what we say anyway, so you know what, i wash my hands of this tourney, AND this rotten Aniblog sphere.

    You expect us to be RATIONAL like ADULTS, instead of get mad.

    We get accused of cheating, and you expect us to Not be offended and be all calm and KUMBAYA about it!? I say fuck that shit.

    You people aren’t even BELIEVING anything said anyway, so why provide you Non believers with any sort of rationality?

    One thing’s certain: We will NOT apologize.
    Why should we apologize for something we didn’t do?
    We didn’t manipulate the goddamn votes, and I refuse to apologize for that. But hey, it is what it is.

    • Mhn…most of the commenters out here started bashing only after Spiral started menacing random people around like he’s a newly created mafia boss. I don’t blame you for any vote manipulation until I see any proof from the admins, but honestly speaking you could have taken a “better” approach to this shit.😛

  29. It’s amusing that the charges against CSW include activities performed “before the polls were officially open”, which wouldn’t even be possible if the polls weren’t turned on a day or two before the official match times. I had a long discussion with the staff about this peculiar move by them.

  30. After waking up at 8am this morning only to see that we were disqualified, I admit I was extremely hostile but instead of mass commenting on everything, I took a long walk in a nature preserve near my place. I sat next to a stream for a good hour thinking about everything. I came back at around 11 and after a few minutes to myself, I decided to write this post.
    The aniblogtourney is a great idea, and kudos to Scamp who came up with the idea. While it’s fun to interact with each other, the competition makes it even more enjoyable and it exposes writers to each other so that they can help each other grow. I enjoy watching the tournament proceed round after round, and it would be dishonest of me to say a lot of blogs that are in the tournament I have never seen before. In that retrospect, it all becomes an extremely rewarding opportunity to read different bloggers.
    However, I am not the one who initiated this and I’m sure others can agree with me. There was a controversy that surrounded the tournament where the thought was essentially:
    Isn’t the voting a circle-jerk fest?
    This thought, for me, was completely absurd. Assuming anyone had a decent viewership of their blog, they simply could just advertise or announce that their blog was in a tournament and if their viewers really cared, they would at least take ten seconds to vote for something that made them at least that much happier. Why is there a need to keep this tournament in a space of 200 anibloggers? Is not the point of the tournament to expose VIEWERS to other anime blogs and not just US BLOGGERS to keep to ourselves?
    I honestly thought we would cap at 250-300 and was still worried that we could lose to Sekijitsu. I never EVER said “Vote for us, Sekijitsu is crap” or “Guys, free handjobs if you vote for CSW”, I asked my viewers “For those of you guys interested in anime, check out both these blogs on the poll, and vote for one of ‘em. I write for CSW.” Only a small fraction of them clicked on the link and the poll didn’t even go up in that minute. Ten minutes later, it started going up – you know why? Because my viewers actually give a thought about site’s contents. Sekijitsu got some of my viewer’s votes and it even got my vote out of goodwill.
    243 votes? Call it bad luck, call it whatever you want, but those are 243 different people who I honestly have faith in checked both sites. Granted, they know me personally so they might be a little bit biased, but hey, METANORN is partnered with Sekijitsu (no disrespect to either great teams), but nobody said anything about that.
    Vote manipulation before the poll was open? After looking at the information for a while, I found out that the poll was closed three times.
    The first time, somebody on Twitter posted the Polldaddy link and there was even an article about it being open early. Seeing that other polls had opened early AND voted, I just said to my team “Hey guys, our poll’s up”. BUT we decided to not publicly spread it on our site, and even out of more goodwill, I voted for Sekijitsu AND gave Sekijitsu’s team the link in their chatbox if they wanted just their team to vote a bit earlier too. When the votes got to 20-5, I didn’t know what to think, so I just let it be. When I heard the poll closed, I assumed I would just wait until official release day.
    I did NOT vote in the second opening of that poll and the third opening of that poll was closed at 0-1 Sekijitsu. It might sound noble if I said I was that 1 vote for Sekijitsu but I was asleep when that happened.
    I was anticipating our poll going up – even getting antsy about it and checking on Twitter asking people how long it would be before it went up. As soon as it did, I did what I did and surprisingly got 200+ votes. But then the poll closed for “Vote Manipulation”.
    “That’s not right, I’m sure they’re just confused”, I thought, “I’m pretty sure any of the admins will contact me for more information”. I put up my information and my Skype on Twitter if anyone needed any questions, but what do I get? People spreading more and more tangents about what happened and Mefloraine just going “Herp derp okay we’ll just close the poll herp derp”. I honestly still hoped that someone would contact me for more information but when I didn’t several long hours later, I just went on Skype and chatted with Fosh (META), Jubbz (CSW), Mushy (O-NEW), and a little bit of Tofu (Sekijitsu). I went to bed thinking something would be sorted out but I woke up this morning disgusted and in shock.
    There were a lot of bloggers I had great respect in and even looked up to, but all the respect is just gone now. No names, except the fact that nobody tried to contact me even when I announced I was willing to talk about it. Nothing – except for the admins kick us out of the tournament because I (don’t even THINK about bringing the rest of my crew into this) manipulated the votes. Is it wrong for me to appeal to my viewers? Is it wrong for me to wander off from a community of 200 anime bloggers? Tell me I’m wrong, and I’ll say sorry. People doubt our viewers, but realize we don’t only do anime reviews – we have streams, we have eroge/douj DLs/reviews, podcasts, and the whole nine yards. If any of you guys try to degrade ANY of my crew members, former or current, you have entirely no shame.
    My crew honestly didn’t and still doesn’t care about the tournament. I made the effort to because I wanted everyone to interact more and just have a fun time. But clearly, everyone think that I somehow believe that winning the tournament will solve all my problems, and that’s where a lot of people are so short-sighted and limited-minded.
    So what now? I at least want my conversation with the admins. If they can’t give me that, I’m going to just stop giving a thought and just voting in the anime blog tournament. I’m not going to have hard feelings for anyone, but I’m still going to participate voting as ONE vote from CSW, since that’s what it seems that this tournament is basically anyways limited to bloggers just voting for bloggers.
    All that being said, if anyone has questions, just ask. Stop making up senseless rumors and do not ever EVER insult any of my crew members. I apologize for any drama I caused and I certainly do wish the best to Sekijitsu should this poll decision be final. I have complete faith in my viewers and it would be the same thing as me calling any of your viewers “manipulative” – they’re just viewers who appreciate what we do so leave them out of this.
    That being said, on behalf of CSW and myself, here is our official statement:
    “We are saddened to see everything come down to this and that people would accuse of manipulating the votes. We have done our best to contact the people responsible for this decision but to no answer. However, as we have no power in the tournament, we would have to accept that we are DQ-ed and out of the tournament after no notice. However, we wish our best of luck to everyone still in the tournament and our opponents Sekijitsu who deserve more than anything to get far in the tournament. Cheers.”

    • You don’t care about this tourney enough to write 1k+ words in a post? lol…

      It’s TL;DR, but it’s pretty retarded how you keep emphasized your vote to Sekijitsu. Public relations has to be done discreetly so it doesn’t look like you’re begging for sympathy, you know?

      Not to mention it’s freaking dumb in itself, since you’re pretty much saying “I don’t believe in our own blog and I’m gonna support our opponent.” If you want legitimate votes, then just don’t vote yourself.

      Also, I’ve seen this in both you and Jubbz’s posts, but you all take it so personally. How do you even know it’s not one the other writers who did it? Just because you trust them doesn’t mean they’re all angels.

      To be honest, I didn’t think you did this to their own blog at first, but like Motsu said, your reaction simply doesn’t make any sense.

    • “and Mefloraine just going “Herp derp okay we’ll just close the poll herp derp”.”
      I was moving out of my dorm yesterday and not involved with the closing of the poll at all.

    • wow this thing sure “spiraled” outta control hohohoho…

      sorry.

      sorry…..

      but….i couldnt resist, not anymore, i just had to.😦

      on a srsbsns note: To all the other bloggers, please dont let Jubbz and Spirals angry comments reflect soley of that on CSW. Because truth be told the other members (myself included) don’t really agree with the things theyve said. If you scroll up one of the bloggers (megz/megiddo) even called Spiral out on it and told him to grow up. I myself, think that i responded rather calmly and rationally. I didn’t once insult anyone not that I’m aware of. The most I did was say that I thought the admins were unjust in accusing us and not giving us much of a reason.

      However I think I can understand both sides. I can understand the admins thinking that we manipulated the votes. I wont lie, that had crossed my mind as well when i first saw the huge spike, it is rather fishy. But i had talked to dubzeh and spiral, and learned that it wasnt voting manipulation, just spiral passed the link around to outside sources. That said, I still have to fault the admis for one, not giving just reasonining behind such claims, and putting the poll up early. By putting it up early it gave access to the link thus a longer time to try and promote/vote early. I think you should of kept the link hidden from the public and not made one until the day or day before of actual voting.

      Although I do not agree with how Spiral and Jubbz responded, i think they both should of took the time to calm down and think of a better way to word things, I understand thier anger. Afterall Jubbz may not care about this tourney, but he does care a great deal about his crew. We arent just a bunch of random bloggers blogging on the same site to him, we are his family. He trully loves CSW and the bloggers, so any false accusations against us causes him to loose his temper and “daddy jubbz” has to defend his “children” Spiral same too, you accused him of something and didn’t even really try to ask him what was up. I think that I would pretty upset if someone were doing to me personally. Spiral also cares about CSW. He’s contributed quite a bit to making CSW what it is.

      With all of that said, I hope that no one thinks poorly of the other CSWers despite what was said. I hope that what I have said too hasn’t hurt us, I appologize if it has. But this thing really did get outta control. I think that both parties should appologize for what happend and either start over giving us CSW another chance oooor just keep us disqualified and we put this whole mess behind us.

      Anywhoo….I doubt anyone pays attention to meh but i made my tl;dr say on it, i think i’ll stop trying to interject and just let things run its course.

        • what about waiting until it was closer to the voting day to make the poll?

          Also i read the reasoning and well I can understand your reasoning, but I do ask that you not let Spiral’s actions hurt CSW. I know Spiral had bad choice of words, but I’d still like to appeal for another chance at least. Just one more, I really would of liked to see how CSW honestly did this year. Last year when we entered we lost BIG time but at that time we weren’t really organized, our site kind of sucked, our bloggers werent organized either, etc…Now however we’ve improved quite a bit I think so. Now i feel that we are at a level where we could of honestly competed and had a chance rather then “ah crap we got pitted against this popular blog no one knows us were screwed -_-”

          We worked hard on our layout, we have great bloggers that put out blogs on a timely manner, and overall (despite the drama) are pretty nice and fun people.

          Spiral appologized, and maybe after this cool down you can concider this little plea of mine?

  31. I’m just a blog reader and not really up on the politics here, but I think the tourney team has created a dangerous precedent, because now anyone with a grudge can vote-spam any of the participants and either

    A. get that blog disqualified, or
    B. further damage the reputation of the tourney if a different standard is applied later.

  32. So, what are the rules? Last time we had a blogger who got his parents to solicit votes for him. People were advertising on Facebook and forums. They were embedding polls wherever they pleased. The admins let it all slide under the rationale that bloggers shouldn’t be penalized for publicizing their blogs and the tourney. As long as each vote came from a unique person it counted.

  33. Since many people were asking for a more thorough explanation as to why CSW Blog was disqualified, here is an extremely long winded explantion behind all the rationale of the event, along with some general clarification of the rules.

    It transpired shortly after the first match that all the polls for the first round were open via the aniblogtourney polldaddy account. This is because polldaddy doesn’t allow you to set a time for a poll to open, only for it to close. We caught the problem a few hours after the first match was up. A bunch of the polls had only one or two votes in, with one poll having 7 votes. There was one poll with vote numbers in the double figures. The poll for CSW Blog vs Sekijitsu. What had transpired is Spiral, a member of CSW Blog, had been sharing a direct link to the poll on old CSW posts to try rack up points before his match started.

    It was ultimately an easy fix. Wipe the results of all the polls and close them all, only opening the ones that were due that day. The polls would technically be open before the match opened, but the alternative was to open them manually minutes before the post goes up on the site, and we didn’t want to run the risk of a poll going up on the tourney website but being closed. Luckily we have had no problems with any premature voting. That is, until CSW Blog vs Sekijitsu was due up. In the day before the poll was due, Spiral had started sharing links to the poll again, resulting a bunch more votes. In this case, we had to wipe the votes again and close the poll, opting for the ‘open the poll minutes before it goes live on the site’ method. I informed other tourney staff members to keep an eye on the poll in case I’m not around to open it in time. I also warned them that there may end up being suspicious voting patterns due to the authors of the blog trying to cheat the system twice already.

    The poll goes up and everything looks fine. At least, for about 5 minutes. Then suddenly, in the space of the next 10 minutes, CSW Blog received over 200 votes. None of the other polls had even gone into double figures yet. A quick check of the stats on the tourney revealed that there were no signs of any spike in visitors as would be expected from that vote influx. There were clear results of someone bypassing the tourney normal procedures to rack up massive amounts of votes. With that, we closed the poll.

    In the last tourney, we had two instances where we had to close polls due to perceived voting manipulation. The first was AstroNerdBoy. In his first game he was winning comfortably, until suddenly towards the end he received a massive influx in votes. AstroNerdBoy promptly contacted us claimed it was from a person calling himself Tenchi trying to make him look bad. In his next match, which was much closer, the same thing occurred, except with well over 200 votes flooding in. AstroNerdBoy contacted us again, saying he would pull out of the tourney because he didn’t want it to be ruined by Tenchi. Of course we all know AstroNerdBoy is an evil person who spreads lies about Tenchi Muyo OVAs.

    The other instance was The Null Set vs Bokutachi no Blog. We were contacted by Spiral, who happened to be writing for Bokutachi no Blog at the time, complaining about an influx of votes for The Null Set. We hadn’t noticed it at the time due to the number being relatively small 50-odd votes, but the stats showed no sign of where they had come from, so we closed the poll. Shortly after, the author of The Null Set contacted us, explaining the situation. He had a bunch of his friends over playing Dungeons and Dragons and had asked them to vote in the poll for him. In short, nothing illegal had occurred. The poll re-opened for the remaining hours and The Null Set won, eventually going right up until the quarter finals.

    Back to the present, we set about investigating what had occurred in the poll, but instead were bombarded by messages by Spiral on in the comment section, with threats against us, threats to attack other anime blogs, and various accusations made against the tourney. The explanation for the increase in votes came soon enough, albeit from third party sources rather than Spiral himself. Spiral had put a link to the poll inside a popular gaming stream. It was just a link to the poll, which is why there was no increase in the stats on the website. Meanwhile Spiral was claiming that in the comment section that CSW had over 10,000 views per day and that’s why they were getting all the votes.

    We had a problem in the last tourney, which only occurred towards the end of the tourney, of bloggers embedding the poll on their own websites. I was against people doing that, as it meant people weren’t visiting the tourney and weren’t seeing the links to the blogs in question, or any of the other blogs on show that day. However both sides were engaging in it, and there wasn’t a lot I could do about it, so I let it slide. This time I ensured the polls weren’t available to be embedded.

    In normal circumstances, this situation with CSW Blog vs Sekijitsu would have been cleared up easily. The poll would have been closed and reset and set to run another day, with advice given to the competitors that if they are going to share the poll, they share the link to the tourney. However Spiral’s constant attempts to undermine the tourney by sending votes in before it was open (again, the only person to do this), along with his threats made quickly after we closed the poll swung our opinion. We are not in the business of featuring blogs that try to cheat the system, nor people who insult us. It was mainly because of this that CSW Blog was disqualified.

    There are no set rules for how to conduct yourself during the tourney, because accounting for every eventuality in some sort of rule set is impossible. We instead opt to use our judgement in each individual case. However, if you really want guidelines, then our advice is to use some common sense. While we discourage people from linking to the polls directly, we can’t see if you do because to get an advanced polldaddy account costs stupid money. But if you do, for god’s sake don’t link to a place where it will send in over 200 votes in 10 minutes so it makes the vote counts look suspicious. If you want to counteract an unfair judgement, send us an e-mail at aniblogtourney@hotmail.com. Don’t leave a string of threats in the comment section. You can promote the tourney asking people to vote wherever you want. Twitter, facebook, forums, chats, IRC, wherever. We actively encourage you to do that. But please use common sense for what clearly is allowed and what will obviously be frowned upon.

    • For one last time, I did not vote for AstroNerdBoy in the last tourney! To cheat like that is against my beliefs as a Christian and I can’t say it any more clearly that I would NEVER vote for AstroNerdBoy for ANY reason. What happened was I told AstroNerdBoy he was going down in the polls because I’d campaign for all real Tenchi fans to vote against him. Of course he got scared and tried to get in a safe cushion of votes. Unfortunately I have no proof of that, but that’s the only explanation that makes sense because for sure it wasn’t me who rigged the poll for him. He always brags at his blog how he has a big staff to help him out so I think they did it for him even if he didn’t do it personally. If he or anyone else claims to have proof that I did it, let’s see it or stop blaming me for everything just because you’re pals with him.

      Also for the record, I never said AstroNerdBoy is evil, I just pity him because of his attempts to act like the boss of all Tenchi fans. It’s true that he spreads propaganda and lies about how OVA 3 was a great success and is a fan favorite, and you can’t ask me to take that lying down. Someone has to fight for the truth.

      • Please stop labeling yourself as Christian and making us all look bad. Anyone who will get angry over someone’s opinion of an anime series needs to rethink their priorities on life.

        If you are a Christian, you need to be the bigger man and learn to forgive and forget.

    • “What had transpired is Spiral, a member of CSW Blog, had been sharing a direct link to the poll on old CSW posts to try rack up points before his match started.”

      So, simply advertising your own site is against the rules? He shared the link to the poll and managed to get a good number of votes; that’s basically what he’s guilty of. How was he supposed to know it was against the rules?
      Why disqualify the blog? At this rate you might as well tell all the other blogs not to promote themselves. To me this still sounds like bias.

      In any case, I hope by the time the next aniblog tourney rolls around, you set some specifics and rules on people bringing attention to their own blogs. You guys clearly have no idea how to run this.

      Also, if you’re so worried about people discovering the polls before the match-up is officially begun, you’d better find a way around that. NEXT TIME TELL PEOPLE NOT TO BRING ATTENTION TO THE POLLDADDY LINK. Make it an official rule. Very simple.

      Lastlly, and I agree, if there is one thing Spiral is guilty of – it’s overreacting in the comments section. Of course, I still have no idea how that has anything to do with the merits of the blog itself, which is what it should be solely judged upon, and not because Spiral is insulting to others.

    • Thanks admin. I have a better picture of this situation now.

      Direct linking to polls is not cool. All page hits to the polls should come from Aniblog, where every matchup is listed. This can be remedied by checking referer, which (I guess) isn’t part of the free Polldaddy features. Is it even part of premium?

      So people can solicit votes from any and every community, within reason. They can spread their name and get votes from people who don’t care about the slew of other competitors. Nothing can be done about this except for drastic measures — like logging in to vote and/or giving repeat voters more weight against one-time voters. I’m sure there are other ideas too, of varying complexity. The easiest solution of course is arbitrary disqualification from the admins.

      The rest of this is just he-said, she-said drama.

  34. “It transpired shortly after the first match that all the polls for the first round were open via the aniblogtourney polldaddy account. This is because polldaddy doesn’t allow you to set a time for a poll to open, only for it to close. We caught the problem a few hours after the first match was up. A bunch of the polls had only one or two votes in, with one poll having 7 votes. There was one poll with vote numbers in the double figures. The poll for CSW Blog vs Sekijitsu. What had transpired is Spiral, a member of CSW Blog, had been sharing a direct link to the poll on old CSW posts to try rack up points before his match started.” – I only shared that link with my team and put it in our aniblogtourney post. I gave the link to Sekijitsu as well LIVE via instant messaging. This I’ll admit.

    “It was ultimately an easy fix. Wipe the results of all the polls and close them all, only opening the ones that were due that day. The polls would technically be open before the match opened, but the alternative was to open them manually minutes before the post goes up on the site, and we didn’t want to run the risk of a poll going up on the tourney website but being closed. Luckily we have had no problems with any premature voting. That is, until CSW Blog vs Sekijitsu was due up. In the day before the poll was due, Spiral had started sharing links to the poll again, resulting a bunch more votes.” – I had NOTHING to do with the second poll NOR the supposed third one that opened. I opted to wait for the official release of the poll GMT 20:00.

    “The poll goes up and everything looks fine. At least, for about 5 minutes. Then suddenly, in the space of the next 10 minutes, CSW Blog received over 200 votes. None of the other polls had even gone into double figures yet. A quick check of the stats on the tourney revealed that there were no signs of any spike in visitors as would be expected from that vote influx. There were clear results of someone bypassing the tourney normal procedures to rack up massive amounts of votes. With that, we closed the poll.” – Obviously, I shared the polldaddy link and not the link to the site. Did you guys not read my post? I told my viewers to check out both sites and vote. Obviously they took time to read whatever they wanted to and voted. Don’t forget that most of Sekijitsu’s votes were also from MY viewers.

    “…no sign of more people visiting the blogs listed in on the site. We closed the poll due to these suspicious circumstances.” – I sent an email to you guys with a screencap showing our busiest day which was…. YESTERDAY.

    “However Spiral’s constant attempts to undermine the tourney by sending votes in before it was open (again, the only person to do this), along with his threats made quickly after we closed the poll swung our opinion. We are not in the business of featuring blogs that try to cheat the system, nor people who insult us. It was mainly because of this that CSW Blog was disqualified.” – ONE attempt shared by somebody else on Twitter before any tourney admin contacted me? You guys serious? Threats? I threatened ONE things, and that was spam. I retracted this statement nearly several hours later after cooling down after the fault and mistrust of this tournament. Tell me I’m the only one who would react to a bunch of people calling his team’s site “manipulators”.

    My statement is that obviously I’m not going to link it anywhere suspicious. It’s a stream managed by me and through its whole useful purpose – if it’s a single surge of 300 votes, why is that not allowed?

  35. A corrupt elimination with BS reasoning used to disqualify a worthy blog site. I dare say anyone with a sense of dignity should withdraw from this abomination.

  36. I am a bit a lot disappointed that CSW is disqualified, and I’m also a bit nervous.

    I’m probably going to get every single vote when I inevitably win my first matchup, and every matchup afterward. I hope I don’t get disqualified!

    • As a fervent fan of Glo (just like everybody else who walks, alive, dead, or something-in-between, on this Earth, on Mars, or even on that Earth), I must say that I too fear for this situation. Glo will inevitably get at least 132% of all of the votes of the entire Round 2, and certain unenlightened individuals may think of such behaviour as ‘cheating’. In fact, it is not cheating; it is just, uh, I was going to write something witty here but I forgot

  37. Guys, can we have some transparency here? As I understand it the people running this competition are Scamp and mefloraine, but I’m not sure if there are any others as well. It’s a bit of a problem when you read the comments here without knowing who’s on the staff and who’s just sucking up to them. There’s nothing on the Contact page or anywhere I could see about who the staff are.

  38. Just for all ya bronies quoting webstatsdomain.com, they simply leech the traffic ranking from Alexa.com which is hilariously inaccurate for anything but super popular general interest sites. Alexa-ranking simply pulls user data from people using their shitty toolbar many consider malware and calls it a day. The result is, those with the most retarded readership get the highest ranking. As such, I out-rank both Metanorn and THAT, despite being well below average in readership on the ‘sphere.

    Also, thanks for the delicious drama. I hate having missed it, but maybe marathoning all this at once was even a better way of consuming it. Keep it coming, guys.

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